WikiLeaks-Armenia N 132
2010-02-17
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 03 YEREVAN 000078
REF: 09 YEREVAN 241
Classified By: Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch. Reason 1.4 (B/D)
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SUMMARY
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¶1. (C) In a wide-ranging recent discussion with Ambassador and DCM, Armenian oligarch and Sargsian confidante Mikhail Baghdassarov expressed optimism that the Turkish parliament would ratify the normalization protocols, but insisted that Armenia could not be expected to ratify first. He said Armenia should have good relations with its neighbors, including Turkey and Azerbaijan, adding that most of Armenia’s leading businessmen favored the opening with Turkey. Armenia should continue to take steps to demonstrate its goodwill to the Turks, but “will not jump without a parachute.” Speaking of the Turkey-Armenia and N-K processes, Baghdassarov said bluntly that “Russia used to be more on the Armenian side, but now the Russians are more with the Turks.” Baghdassarov cautioned that it would be wrong to push President Sargsian further on N-K at this point given the pressure he is under on Turkey-Armenia, and noted that former president Ter-Petrossian fell from power over perceived concessions on N-K. Baghdassarov argued for a more “active” Armenian policy on N-K, including building settlements in the surrounding territories to “show the Azerbaijanis they have something to lose” – although he admitted that President Sargsian “doesn’t even want to think about that.” On domestic politics, Baghdassarov reiterated his skepticism over the performance of Prime Minister Sargsian, and criticized Armenia’s governing institutions — government, parliament, and presidency — for poor performance. He hinted at the long-rumored rivalry between the President and National Assembly Speaker Abrahamian, but backed off when asked if the rivalry was being stoked by former President President Kocharian, whom Baghdassarov claimed has taken himself out of Armenian politics. End Summary.
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WHO IS MIKHAIL BAGHDASSAROV?
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¶2. (C) Ambassador and DCM met for lunch on January 21 with Mikhail Bagdassarov, one of Armenia’s leading businessman and a loyal friend of President Serzh Sargsian. Baghdassarov is the owner of Armavia, Armenia’s national airline (discussion of civair issues to be reported septel), and is a major importer of gasoline for his extensive chain of filling stations. He is also the monopolistic importer of jet fuel for Yerevan’s Zvartnots airport, and owns one of Armenia’s two cement plants. Baghdassarov also has significant business interests in Russia, where he spends much of his time. Baghdassarov is perceived as closer to the President than any of Armenia’s other oligarchs, and he sees Sargsian frequently. Baghdassarov is originally from Baku — his first language is Russian, and he speaks just a few words of Armenian. We believe Baghdassarov’s comments to us often represent the President’s thinking, or at least reflect issues that the two have discussed.
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ARMENIA NEEDS RELATIONS WITH NEIGHBORS
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¶3. (C) As in past conversations, Bagdassarov expressed strong support for the normalization process with Turkey. He said Armenia needs to establish “normal” relations with its neighbors, including Turkey and Azerbaijan. Despite the fits and starts of the process with Turkey, Baghdassarov said he believed the Turks would eventually ratify the protocols. Armenia would benefit more economically from normalization and a border opening, he said, but Turkey would benefit politically. He chalked up Turkey’s delay in ratification to the GOT “seeking a higher price” from Armenia for opening the border. Baghdassarov asserted that all of Armenia’s major businessmen — with the exception of “one or two illiterates” — support the Turkey-Armenia process.
¶4. (C) Baghdassarov argued that the GOAM should continue to take steps that demonstrate Armenia’s goodwill toward Turkey, but cautioned that “we can’t jump without a parachute.”Although he expressed no doubt that Armenia could easily ratify the protocols in the National Assembly, Baghdassarov said it is not realistic to expect Armenia to ratify before Turkey. In this situation, he said, “the people will expect the stronger country to go first.” Baghdassarov said, however, that it might be possible for the Government to submit the protocols to the Armenian parliament, much as the Turks have done, as a further signal to encourage the GOT to move forward.
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RUSSIANS “USED TO BE” ON ARMENIA’S SIDE
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¶5. (C) In a striking comment that Baghdassarov repeated several times, he claimed that Armenia could no longer count on Russia for support when it came to dealing with Turkey. Referring to the Turkey-Armenia process, he said one problem is that “Russia used to be on Armenia’s side” but is now “more with the Turks” because of Russian-Turkish economic interests. When the Ambassador pointed out that both Putin and Lavrov had publicly supported Armenia’s position of no linkage with N-K, Baghdassarov countered, “that’s what they say publicly.” He then amended his argument slightly, saying that while Moscow may not be on Turkey’s side, it is at best neutral when it comes to Turkey-Armenia. (Comment: This conclusion is one that Baghdassarov probably didn’t pull out of thin air. There was at least a hint that he knew more than he was willing to tell, but that he had heard this frustration expressed by someone else — most likely the President. It is even possible that he had been asked to deliver that message.
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DON’T PUSH TOO HARD ON N-K
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¶6. (C) Echoing what we have heard repeatedly from President Sargsian in recent months, Baghdassarov warned that the international community “should not push the President too hard” on Nagorno-Karabakh at this time. He said that while most Armenians support normalization with Turkey, there is a lot of suspicion that something inimical to Armenians’ interest is brewing in the N-K settlement process. These fears have been stoked by both the opposition and the diaspora — especially in the United States. Baghdassarov recalled that former president Levon Ter-Petrossian fell from power in 1998 for appearing to go too far, too fast on N-K, and implied that President Sargsian would run a similar risk if he accelerated the process under Turkish pressure. (Comment: Baghdassasrov was particularly concerned that the protocols did not establish final status for NK simultaneous with Armenia’s return of the territories and again recalled Ter Petrossian’s ouster. It is possible that he was sending a message from the President with this statement.)
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SETTLEMENTS IN N-K?
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¶7. (C) Baghdassarov revealed that he had told the President that Armenia should become “more active” in dealing with the N-K issue and the Azerbajanis. Specifically, he had proposed to the President that Armenia begin building settlements in the occupied territories that surround N-K proper. “This would show to the Azerbaijanis that they have something to lose if they don’t resolve the problem.” Baghdassarov was clear that the thinking behind his suggestion was not similar to the Dashnaks’ – who favor settlements as a way of consolidating Armenia’s hold on the territories — but rather to gain advantage in the negotiation process with Azerbaijan. He lamented that the President “did not agree” with his proposal. The Ambassador pushed back hard, arguing that while settlements may theoretically strengthen a country’s hand in negotiations, the reality is that the government becomes hostage to the settler community and cannot move forward toward a peaceful resolution.
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DOMESTIC POLITICS: PM “DOING BETTER;” PRESIDENT “DOES TOO
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¶8. (C) In marked contrast to his harsh criticism of Prime Minister Sargsian in the past (reftel), Baghdassarov was careful in his comments regarding the PM. He said the Prime Minister is “doing better” and that over the last two years he had learned a lot. But Baghdassarov lamented that at the Cabinet level, individuals should already be professionals and not making mistakes at the expense of the Armenian people. He also grumbled that during the last year of economic crisis, the Prime Minister established policies that were unfriendly to business – at a time when he should have been creating the most welcoming conditions for business. Baghdassarov claimed that with his recent investiture in the ruling Republican Party, the “technocrat” PM is one step closer to his dream of a political career.
¶9. (C) For his part, President Sargsian wanted the PM in the party to squelch criticism and unhappiness within the Republican Party that the ruling party did not get the plum PM position. Baghdassarov said the President had made a decision to keep the PM on, because he was skilled at handling foreigners and convincing the IFIs that Armenia could repay the loans that the GOAM needed to stay afloat. He claimed that the President handles “everything else,” but this isn’t an ideal system, because the President travels constantly and even when he is in Yerevan can’t run every ministry. In addition, the ministries don’t have strategies and a framework for decision-making, so Ministers aren’t sure what decisions to take. Everything waits for the President, according to Baghdassarov. He added that another reason that the government is dysfunctional is that the Cabinet is made up of different parties. While the President wanted a smoothly functioning government, that might not be the goal of the non-ruling party; their goal was to weaken the government and strengthen their own position before elections.
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