WikiLeaks-Armenia N 133
2010-02-10
C O N F I D E N T I A L SECTION 01 OF 02 YEREVAN 000071
SUBJECT: ARMENIA-GEORGIA RELATIONSHIP POSITIVE DESPITE CHALLENGES
REF: 09 YEREVAN 844
Classified By: Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch. Reasons 1.4(b & d)
1.(C) SUMMARY. Following a joint Armenia-Georgia Task Force Meeting, the Government of Armenian (GOAM) continues to seek despite what the GOAM calls Georgian “intractability” on the demarcation of the final sections of the border, the arrest of Armenian citizens for allegedly illegally crossing the border, and the Government of Georgia’s refusal to allow entry to certain Armenian citizens. No change was reported with the status of the disputed churches in Tbilisi or the level of transit tariffs on Armenian-bound goods. In spite of those ongoing challenges, the GOAM still maintains a positive relationship with the Georgian government, and, as an example of this, Armenian President Sargsian will travel to Georgia for an unofficial visit with Georgian President Saakashvili at the end of February. END SUMMARY.
¶2. (C) Ambassador Yovanovitch met with Armenian Deputy Foreign Minister Shavarsh Kocharian on February 1 to discuss the Armenia-Georgia Task Force meeting that recently concluded in Yerevan. The Task Force tries to meet annually and is a forum for the discussion of economic, cultural, humanitarian and other issues between the Government of Armenian (GOAM) and the Government of Georgia (GOG). Issues of interest to Post that were on this year’s agenda were the status of the disputed churches in Tbilisi, the demarcation of the Armenia-Georgia border and related border questions, the construction of the North-South Road between the two countries, and transit tariffs in Georgia for Armenia-bound goods. The Deputy Foreign Minister was forthcoming about the discussions with his Georgian counterparts, but stated that not all issues of interest to the GOAM were addressed. Most importantly, while references to the disputed churches in Tbilisi (reftel) were raised, no movement occurred and no mention of the churches was included in the final protocols of the Task Force meeting. He noted that the issue was too delicate to address in such a format.
¶3. (C) Overall, DFM Kocharian believed it was a positive meeting and the atmosphere was warm and comfortable. Armenian President Sargsian in his February 4 meeting with Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg said that enough progress had been made in the meetings with the Prime Minister for him to travel to Georgia at the end of February for an unofficial visit with Georgian President Saakashvili.
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Border Issues
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¶4. (C) Demarcation of the Armenian-Georgian border and problems related to citizens crossing the border dominated DFM Kocharian’s recap of the meeting. While the two sides have reached agreement on over 160 kms of the border, 60 kms remain to be settled. Briefly, the border between the two countries was officially delineated in 1929 and again in 1934 by Soviet authorities. Since then, the border has undergone a series of unofficial minor adjustments to take into account prior traditional use resulting in Armenia acquiring land that was once in Georgia and vice versa. The GOAM’s position is that these unofficial adjustments have resulted in a net loss of 700 hectares of Armenian territory based on the earlier official maps. The GOAM does not agree with the GOG’s alleged position that the border should be accepted “as is” and that the commission can negotiate equal swaps of territory to make additional adjustments as this would result in the permanent loss of the 700 claimed hectares.
¶5. (C) In addition, Kocharian claimed that the GOAM and the GOG had an understanding that the border guards would allow border residents to cross the border to work on their traditional lands without having to comply with entry requirements. Kocharian alleged that over a year and a half ago the GOG’s position changed and they began arresting Armenian citizens for illegally crossing the border. The GOAM however, to maintain good neighborly relations, still does not enforce its entry requirements against the Georgian residents of the border although they may soon be forced to because of the publicity surrounding the prosecution of Armenian citizens.
¶6. (C) The entry of Armenian and Georgian citizens into each other’s territories raised another issue. The GOAM alleges that the GOG is capriciously denying entry to a few Armenian citizens, including one member of the Armenian Parliament. Ambassador Yovanovitch pointed out that each country has the right to deny entry to foreign citizens it believes may pose a danger. The GOAM though believes entry is denied not because its citizens are dangerous but because they have espoused views against the GOG, are ethnically Armenian and partial to the Georgian opposition. Kocharian stated that the GOAM could employ a similar standard against Georgian citizens but, as with the border crossers, would prefer not to in the name of maintaining good relations. To show their seriousness about this issue, Kocharian provided the Ambassador with a list of 14 Georgians and their alleged anti-Armenian statements. However, Kocharian said the GOAM believes all people have the right to express their opinion and so will not use those statements against the Georgian citizens.
¶7. (C) In response to the Ambassador’s question of how the USG could help, Kocharian requested the Ambassador relay two messages to the GOG on behalf of the GOAM. First, that if each side insists on its own approach to border demarcation, no progress will be made. Each side must be willing to compromise and bring the approaches closer. Second, that the GOG’s decision to arrest Armenian citizens for allegedly illegally crossing the border has caused problems for the GOAM and is not helpful. The GOG should follow the GOAM’s example of allowing border residents to cross for traditional purposes.
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Trade
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¶8. (C) The issue of transit tariffs on goods through Georgia remains a sore point with the GOAM as Azerbaijan-bound goods receive a 50% discount off of base tariffs, while Armenian-bound goods receive a smaller discount, based on their respective bilateral agreements with Georgia. Kocharian reported that no progress was made on this issue. According to Kocharian, the GOG offered the same explanation: Azerbaijan transfers 10 million tons of goods annually through Georgia while Armenia transfers only 1million tons. If Armenian-bound goods ever equal those headed to Azerbaijan, then Armenia can receive the same discount. The two governments may meet in April to discuss transit tariffs, but Kocharian did not sound hopeful that a new agreement would be more beneficial to Armenia.
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North-South Road
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¶9. (C) Kocharian expressed regret that it appears the GOG wants to pull out of the North-South Road agreement that would link Batumi, Georgia with Bavra, Armenia. Kocharian said that the GOG believes one segment of the road would be too expensive to construct and they would rather invest the money in other areas. Without the GOG component, the project would no longer be “regional,” jeopardizing the overall funding as the Asian Development Bank is willing to underwrite much of the road only if it is a regional project. Kocharian argued that eventually the road would justify its cost through an increase in the number of tourists from Armenia, providing an economic benefit to Georgia. (NOTE: This road project would give Armenia much more direct access to Black Sea ports and – pending an opening of the Armenian-Turkish border – to Turkey. The road will eventually extend through Armenia and connect with Iran. The GOAM sees the road as a strategic as well as an economic priority. END NOTE).
¶10. (C) COMMENT. Despite Armenian frustration with the lack of progress on these issues due to a perceived Georgian intransigence across the board, Deputy Foreign Minister Kocharian said many times that the GOAM recognizes the close, traditional ties of the two countries and these current problems will not effects the strong desire to maintain a friendly relationship. Negotiations on these issues will continue — they just will not go as speedily or as smoothly as the GOAM may wish. END COMMENT.
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